When it comes to nutrition in humans, there is simply no one-size-fits-all solution. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something.

If you’re anything like us, you’ve had a ton of Facebook friends try to sell you on watching “What The Health,” a “documentary” promoting a pure plant-based diet.

We were intrigued, because there’s a lot of evidence that plant-based diets can be a truly effective strategy for many people (see the work of actual scientists like Dr. Dean Ornish et. al). Also, I’m not a fan of torturing animals in factory farms, so minimizing the suffering of conscious creatures is certainly a positive by-product of a mostly-plant diet (see also the Netflix movie Okja).

Then we watched the documentary.

Thanks to our sacrifice, you can save yourself 1.5 hours of pure torture by watching our responses here!

This movie displays all the great characteristics of really bad thinking. Confusing causation with correlation in clinical trials? Check. Cherry picking data to support your view while ignoring data to the contrary (i.e., “confirmation bias)? Check. Relying on “experts” who are selling books and seminars but have nothing to do with real science, as evidenced by their fundamental misunderstand of basic physiology (carbs can’t make you fat? diabetes is caused by chicken consumption?) –> Chickity check.

Steve-O as a nutritional expert?? CHECK-MATE.

So vegans, relax. If a plant-based diet works for you, your lifestyle, your ethics, and your genetics, then mad luv to you and hella namaste bro.

But this movie is still a steaming piece of rotten meat.

 

And if you want to learn of the perils and pitfalls of interpreting nutrition research, check this video out.

Wanna see a little nuance in the deleted scenes? Check it:

 


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  • However, if you have been dealt a bad intellectual deck, nothing will reshuffle it.
    And you said “booby”
    “Steve O” ?

    NICE work ZDogg
    There is something pleasant about watching you watch stuff.
    Next time I want to watch you watch a Dr. Oz show … OK?

    Dike
    Dike Drummond MD
    http://www.TheHappyMD.com

  • Selina Grissom

    Who are YOUR corporate sponsors?

    • Jeremy Stubley

      Its always funny, when ever someone with actual knowledge of health stuff tells the truth about health they instantly get accused of being paid to do so by the hard of thinkers.

    • Brett Forsythe

      It’s widely known now that the sugar industry has been paying off scientists for years to paint meat as a cancer causing villian, when in fact it is sugar causing all these health problems and most meat is actually very good for you. Especially the fat we’ve been told is bad.

  • Kinoons

    I also watched the other video on YouTube. Am I the only one having MST3K flashbacks with zdogg as Joel, tom is tom servo, and Logan is crow?

  • Bryce

    This movie comes out every few years. The last vegan-promoting one was called “Forks Over Knives” which, sadly, did not feature Steve-O so a reboot was clearly required. Katie Couric did a much better researched one a while back.

    This movie is for suburban moms and hipsters. Trouble is this sort of message doesn’t target the low information, low socioeconomic class folks where the obesity epidemic does the most damage and costs the most federal healthcare dollars. How do you message to them, ZDogg?

    • DiaMond

      Invest in organizations that promote healthy eating. Help organizations that bring fresh fruits and vegetables to urban food deserts. A lot of times people know that they are not eating a healthy diet but unhealthy foods are cheaper and more accessible. Offer to host cooking classes at community centers or a fitness group that service underprivileged communities.

      • This was actually partially our approach at Turntable Health. Teaching kitchen, fitness studio, health coaches on site. Plant based diet was actually often a recommendation for many of our patients BTW! But in general, how to cook yourself quickly on a budget in a food desert…

  • Johanna NightHawk

    Dietary Cholesterol is not associated with CAD???? What kind of doctor are you. With people like you and surfer boy .. the general population has no hope. – ‘A Real Doctor’.

    • Steph

      Consider reading “Cholesterol Clarity” and you’ll actually know what he’s talking about.

      • @steph Many of us physicians already read Jimmy Moore’s “Cholesterol Clarity” when it was first published. Moore does not have even 1 minute of formal medical training and handpicked a few medically trained dissenters from the humongous body of published, double-blinded, randomized clinical trials proving that high dietary cholesterol DIRECTLY causes coronary artery disease.

        • Pacu

          “directly causes”, no, there aren’t any, because that wouldn’t be science. Now “directly correlates”, you might find a study that says that, but there’s actually a lot of contradictory studies, and I suspect you are unable to suss out the good ones from the bad.

          • Mary

            Pacu, “Taking into consideration the totality of the scientific evidence, satisfying rigorous criteria for causality, we conclude strongly that lowering intake of saturated fat and replacing it with unsaturated fats, especially polyunsaturated fats, will lower the incidence of CVD.” June 2017 American Heart Association Presidential Advisory Report. It’s a good review of the research if you’re interested. The science is about as compelling as science gets. http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/early/2017/06/15/CIR.0000000000000510

          • Pacu

            Methinks you confuse cholesterol and saturated fats. They are two chemically distinct things. There’s no trend in studies showing dietary cholesterol having detrimental effects on serum lipid values, that does exist for saturated fats and trans-unsaturates. This ignores the fact that saturates have little effect on LDL levels, that carbohydrates metabolism increases both trigs and LDL which strongly correlate with CVD.

          • Mary

            No, I am not confusing saturated fat with cholesterol, but foods containing cholesterol are the biggest source of saturated fats in most people’s diets, so there’s not zero correlation between changes in cholesterol intake and CVD. The contradictory studies re: cholesterol in the diet aren’t so contradictory after all. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-saturated-fat-studies-set-up-to-fail/

            SFAs have a bad effect on insulin sensitivity, which correlates with CVD as well. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/lipotoxicity-how-saturated-fat-raises-blood-sugar/

        • Firebird7478

          And doctors spend SOOOOOOOOOOOOO much time in college on nutrition. I manage my health by avoiding doctors like you.

        • Great example of the straw man argument. Try again, “doctor”. 😀

        • Ryan Lindsey

          Can you provide a few examples of double-blinded randomized clinical trials that *prove* that high dietary cholesterol directly causes CAD?

          I would like to read some of those studies.

        • Britt Semenow

          First rule of science – you cannot prove a hypothesis. You can only disprove a hypothesis, Dr…Unless you managed to control all participants diets exactly, etc etc, you can only show correlation (no matter how strong that correlation is – you can’t “prove” something like this).

    • Mitchell Holland

      Dietary cholesterol has to influence on your blood cholesterol, your body can make its own cholesterol, when you reduce it in your diet your body just makes more to compensate for the loss, I think that was what he was refering to.

  • As a Board Certified Family Medicine physician with 15 years of direct patient care in several countries, to include the US, I found the doctor in zdoggmd’s response video, stuck in condescension mode. He actively looked for every opportunity to arrogantly contradict other medical experts who publicly reveal their research sources and draw from their decades of clinical experience.

    This zdoggmd doctor cackled and joked like a locker room teenager peering into the girls locker room through a hole in the wall. He starts munching on a strip of beef jerky to marginalize the documentary, much like an ignorant prankster. Throughout my career I have met many arrogant doctors like him with their God complexes. He does a disservice to any serious patient looking for long term ways to reverse chronic disease.

    My advice to the public is to ignore this idiotic doctor and read the numerous population-based health studies that show that 85% of the US healthcare costs are caused by poor diet, lack of exercise and unmanaged stress. In the name of self-serving arrogance, this doctor introduces doubt in the public psyche where there should be no doubt. He muddies the healthcare picture. He actually says that “dietary cholesterol does not cause heart disease.” WTF! Any high school dropout can read the thousands of clinical trials that prove the high DIETARY and hepatic (liver generated) cholesterol DIRECTLY causes cardiovascular disease. He insinuates that obesity does not cause diabetes. Again… WTF!

    These are the verifiable FACTS! The cost of 1 single cardiac bypass surgery is between $70,000.00 and $200,000.00. Even with the best health insurance plan, nobody ever pays enough premiums to cover even 1 bypass surgery. So we Americans eat ourselves into obesity and heart disease then expect for someone else to pay for lifesaving surgery.

    The meat-heavy, refined sugar-laiden American diet KILLS! I know that it will be nearly impossible for us to change our lifetime of poor eating hsbits, but as much as possible, WE must stop eating dead animals and start eating more whole plants. We must start drinking mostly water, the food and soft drink manufacturers’ profits be damned. We must begin exercising regularly.

    But most of all, ignore idiot doctors with God complexes. These idiot doctors are trained to unknowingly enrich the pharmaceutical industry by prescribing expensive pills that we must take every day of our shortened lives. These idiot doctors us to keep cramming fried, dead animals into our oversized bellies while we repeatedly pay THEM to have ineffective wellness appointments at their clinics. Utterly disgusting!

    Dingane Baruti MD

  • Donhaleus

    Why is zdogg wearing a stethoscope while watching a movie? Probably so he can keep up his persona and keep selling videos. “Don’t forget to like my videos and subscribe to my channel!” Opinions are like assholes. Zdogg and the surfer guy In the movie should go out on a date and compare notes about how to skew content to their own bias.

  • Brett Forsythe

    Im 18m in. I was scared to death in the beginning that I would die a horrible death in 5 yeas.. And then as it kept going on, and they had this guy saying there was no correlation between sugar and diabetes… I lost it. I came here. I read the part about save yourself 1.5 hours. Thank fucking you for confirming this.

    • Toni V Cameron

      Try watching this instead (10 minutes or so) https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=FA_iaLEsiXI

      • Joe Mama

        No, don’t. He’s an idiot.

    • Bmwendo

      Yes the cause of disease diabetes is not sugar. It will make you sleepy only because you are insulin resistant. What causes that ? It’s the fat

      • Cappy Odinsen

        Hell, if sugar caused diabetes, I’d be diabetic. Instead, I eat a plant-based diet loaded with sugars and I am in the best health of my life. When I was 250 pounds and in the poorest health of my life, it was because I listened to ignorant doctors who told me I needed more protein.

  • Toni V Cameron
    • Bmwendo

      Really wish the article included this response. Most ppl that watch the zdog vid will leave thinking vegan docs are quacks

      • mee

        and exactly that they are ..there is NO pure vegan community alive today.. NONE … this tells us actually all we need to know..

        • Robert

          There are lots of us pure vegans and more every day. Some have been vegan for decades. With me it is only 3 years as a Whole Food vegan. I am super healthy. But you can be vegan and very unhealthy if you eat processed foods and drink pop.

          • mee

            I have NEVER met healthy multiple-decades-vegan.. NEVER.. all had to start eat meat in order to not became very sick ( or cure their sickness or usually at least to save their lives..)

          • Robert

            I have a family friend who is in her late 80s. She has been a vegan for at least 25 years. She is currently travelling in the middle east. Her mind is sharp and she is healthy. The oldest vegan athlete I know of is Carl Lewis. I actually saw him in Houston about 2 years ago, he looked great. He became vegan in 1990 so that means he has been vegan 27 years. I think you should do some more research.

          • mee

            and ? your point ? …do you know ANYONE born to vegans and vegan WHOLE LIFE ??

          • Seve

            Oh fuck off. You keep adding qualifications you arbitrarily deem necessary for a vegan community to exist (must be vegan for multiple decades, must have grown up vegan, must have never tried meat in their lifetime, must be a third generation vegan). You sound like the type of person to serve meat to a vegan and tell them afterwards just so you can claim they’re no longer vegan. Really, it doesn’t affect you, unlike high cholesterol and plaque-ridden arteries. If B12 supplements are the obstacle to transition to a vegan diet, your morals need to be revised. There is NOTHING in meat necessary to heal one of your poor, sick, imaginary vegan friends that you can’t find from plant-, algae-, or bacteria-based sources. Guess you think everyone needs their B12 with a healthy dose of cholesterol and trans-fats.

          • mee

            the qualification is still the same .. as I stated in first comment: “do you know ANY purely vegan culture that is alive today?” .. there is NONE, as all long-time vegans just die-off…yes, you can survive some decades, but your offspring will be degenerated (in best cases – if they are even born) and further generations will NOT exist..

          • Heather Godbee

            This is a really sad attempt at scaring people with your pure stupidity. We can all tell your lack of education just from the way you write your replies; just like an angry Gothic tween girl on MySpace. “Vegan cultures” don’t exist because that is not solely how we evolved. Generations after generations have just learned from each other that living on animal products is good for us. It is up to our generations now, and the next few to come, to create those “vegan cultures.” Again, just because it doesn’t exist in your world, doesn’t mean it never has or never will. How do you sleep at night being this stupid?

          • mee

            hard to argue with such dense individuals like you vegans usually are.. TRY to learn some real subjects, don’t rely on your faith only.. facts don’t care about your feelings honey…. this is biology 101 … and that actually answers all your childish questions… I have no magic pill for your stupidity though..

            still, I sincerely hope your children will not suffer from your idiocy..

          • mee

            don’t put words in my mouth ( this is very well known vegan obfuscation tactic).. trans-fats are BAD, we all know that ! (saturated fats are different story)..as for cholesterol, that is good – there are studies confirming this in old people.. (even your body creates it’s own as it needs it for cell repairs).. B12 is necessary for your survival.. that is just fact … if you need to supplement your vegan idiocy in any format, this means it’s not meant to be … Nature is VERY cost-effective if nothing else… if you would eat just animals (no plants at all) you would survive and PROCREATE just fine .. that is basically all you need to know/understand..

          • Tracy Williams

            Give it up. Every time someone answers your question you come up with a new criteria. You don’t want to be vegan. We get it.

          • mee

            my original question still stands.. you are just attempting to excuse your incompetence to answer it.. as we ALL new from beginning…
            There is no all-life-100% vegan ADULT alive today.

          • Tracy Williams

            The word is “knew”…”as we all knew”. Too bad you didn’t know that. Seems like you’re the only incompetent one here.

          • Heather Godbee

            Being born into a vegan family is something that is very new to our society. I actually have two close friends who have been vegan for years and both just had their first children, of which are being raised on a fully RAW vegan diet. Meaning, solely vegetable based, nothing processed, not even tofu. I myself plan to have children in a few years who will also be born into a vegan diet. Just because you have never met someone who was born into a vegan diet, does not mean they do not exist. You are not basing your replies off of any evidence other than your own supposed experience, not to mention your ignorance and lack of study. It just goes to show how truly naive you actually are, and to think you actually have the means to post a reply to argue against the vegan diet at all, is quite pathetic. It’s going to take generations before it is common to be born into a vegan family, just like it did to be born into a gay family of two fathers or two mothers. It’s not something that happens over night, but it is something that will happen over time, no matter how much you choose to deny it just for the sake of denying it.

          • mee

            that sounds mildly interesting.. are the children still alive and well ? How old are they? Any developmental issues already ? How they excuse lack of mental abilities ? Do they have some kind of blog to post their progress ? Do they supplement ? Do they lie or just obfuscate about supplementation ?

            well.. two men can’t father a child … sorry to burst your SJW bubble.. not possible ..nichts, nada (2 women can at least pretend the anonymous father from some drunken nights months ago is willing participant in this sociological experiment) .. again biology 101

          • JEEZUS

            It’s factual you’ll be healthier on a plant based diet. Leaner, more alert, more energy, organs will be more efficient, sharper mind, better eye sight, healthier heart, better skin, safer bowl movement due to better digestion, increase in sexual functionality…do I need to keep going? Since you know…you keep throwing science around. Those are all FACTS. Not opinion.

          • Mike D

            This surgeon is 50+ years vegan. I know quite a few people who have been vegan for 20+ years. I know some 20+ year-old college kids whose vegan parents raised them as vegans (yes, without junk food). Maybe you should go to some vegan meetups before judging an entire group of people based on what you personally have never seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX58PyQwrcI

          • mee

            well, even this man was not vegan his whole life.. the point is : there is NO community where there are 3 generations of vegans NONE .. as we need animal products to proper development… and yes, some people can live more than others on vegan diet… if you don’t understand statistics and concentrate on exception (like this one), you have to be stupid.. this is no discussion about exceptions… and I bet this guy takes AT LEAST B12 supplements..

          • Freethinker

            The point is every time you post, your posts are rebutted with evidence so you keep shifting the goalposts. You have your little belief, but don’t fool yourself into thinking it is evidence based.

          • JEEZUS

            You’ve never met someone who NEEDED meat to save their lives, stfu

          • Blah Blah Blah

            Every vegan I have ever met was either emaciated or healthy but used supplements…which is kind of like eating a steak. If a vegan diet did the job, then supplements would not be needed.

            Where am I wrong? (No, really. I am asking. I have no aversion to any valid nutritional slant. As for enlightenment, keep it, but not eating meat might have good effects if it works.)

    • Josh Meckel

      Garth Davis is incredible. He has done so much to help change the course of our health epidemic over the past decade.

    • jervan

      Seems smart (he made sure to point that out multiple times); however, he is missing the point… ‘What the Health’ was pure vegan agenda. While there could have been real discussion brought forward about corporate agriculture, those involved in the film decided it was better to shove vegetable based half-truths down our throats. Was Z-Dogg’s video ridiculous and semi-unprofessional? Yup. But despite Dr. Davis’ attempts to discredit him through strawman-like statements, there was a lot of truth and reality about our current state of nutrition in our country throughout the 11-plus minutes of discrediting entertainment. And all of Z-Dogg, MD’s statements in relation to the science of nutrition (biochemistry and physiology), were true. Period. With that stated, and as was pointed out in the video, diet is a very individual thing. No one diet is the answer. Anyone who claims that is lying to himself and everyone else. It’s very clear what we shouldn’t eat (sugar, saturated fats), but what we should eat, or at least how much of it, is a bit harder to pin down. And that is because it varies. Yes, there are many fantastic diets that contain a high amount of HEALTHY carbs… but they also contain animal products. Dr. Davis conveniently forgets to mention that, by the way. My point is not to point out the flaws in Dr. Davis’ arguments though; rather, it’s to point out that we are arguing about the wrong things. If you want to be vegan and it works for you, go veggie crazy! If you love you some burgers (grass-fed, hopefully), don’t forget the cheese! Eat what makes you feel good… physically, mentally, and ethically. That’s what ‘WtH’ should have been about… the ethical consumption of healthy food. Instead it was vegan doctrine in the guise of agricultural activism. And that’s just sad. Now, I need to go to bed, because Dr. Davis isn’t the only one who takes care of patients.

      • Joe Zangief

        Some people just want to avoid animal cruelty at all costs. I love(d) burgers but I put my love for animals above that.

        Funny how defensive meat eaters get. Don’t worry, my family does this too.

        • Britt Semenow

          I don’t think most meat eaters are getting defensive about putting a love for animals above your desire for meat. What we get defensive about is presenting incomplete and bad science to make your point. If the documentary were only about how we should be treating animals better by not eating them, that would be one thing (and then it would be silly for a meat eater to get defensive). However, this documentary goes beyond that into making claims that don’t necessarily hold up.

          • Joe Zangief

            Maybe what I meant to say is “meat eaters will do anything to retain their current eating habits, even when there’s evidence that it’s detrimental to health”

            “Claims that don’t necessarily hold up”

            You’re trying everything you can to deny the facts. Facts. Not speculation.

          • disqus_6FQZuhJ7nZ

            and whats your science background? All the studies mentioned by the speakers in the video are from peer reviewed top medical journals. Which claims don’t hold up? Please cite evidence

          • disqus_6FQZuhJ7nZ

            The pcrm page and info cites actual medical references. Im not vegan btw just a dr.

          • Tracy Williams

            Man. I was really hoping she had some evidence to share. Bummer.

          • JEEZUS

            What claims didn’t hold up? And the part in he doc where it explained how the process we use to eat meat is destroying entire areas where animals live, corrupting the water and contaminating the food…that wasn’t enough for you to be like “yeah maybe they gotta point” you really as a full grown adult need a fckn seminar to get it? Lol…smh

      • Nicole Wolgamott

        Totally disagree with you. I don’t see how eating a plant based diet is vegan propaganda. Where is the big corporation behind that? And you cannot ethically eat even grass fed meat or organic dairy because it’s no different in treatment of animals or how healthy the product is. There are few to no risks in eating a plant based diet unlike an animal based diet. So I will always strive to eat foods that have the lowest risks out there.

        • Except many forget, that without Ruminants grazing and fertlising the soil, precious plants couldn’t be grown and the fields would end up with desertification.

          • Benjamin Bigarré

            What about green fertilizers?(aka crops only meant to fertilize the soil in between other crops?) You can check conservation agriculture on the FAO website for more information.

          • Mike D

            That is not true. Wildlife or domesticated animals can do their bit as long as they keep moving across the land and don’t stay too long, but that almost never happens in animal agriculture, so farmers apply commercial fertilizers to fields. An alternative method is to use plant materials (composted plants, leaves, paper), plant cover crops between production crops, use low or no till methods to prevent soil erosion, and employ other methods that build the soil. Horse manure also works great as fertilizer. By the way, something like 90+ percent of all meat animals do not get to live outside, so they are not grazing anything. It is always interesting to compare the incredibly small percentage of pasture raised, free range animals that actually exist on farms against the number of people who say they only eat the pasture raised meat.

          • Tyffany Ritchie

            90% you say? I call b.s.

          • Alexandra Soar

            Based on what?

          • Mike D

            “Factory farming now accounts for more than 99 percent of all farmed animals raised and slaughtered in the United States.3 (Virtually all seafood comes to us by way of industrial fishing or factory fish farms.)4” Sources in the footnotes. Try Google. There are a number of references. My 90 percent number seems to be low. https://farmforward.com/ending-factory-farming/

          • Jason

            Animals (wild or domesticated) don’t really fertilize the soil they are on. They consume nutrients from the plants they eat, use some of the nutrients and then return the unused nutrients back to the soil via manure & urine. However, that’s a net negative system. Yes… animals could eat plants from one spot & deposit them in another spot, adding nutrients to the deposited spot. But they’re really just redistributing. Manure fertilizer is simply taking the nutrients from one piece of ground, running them through an animal & redistributing them on another piece of ground.

            Plant materials have exactly the same issue. The nutrients in those plants came from soil somewhere. Certainly, cover crops and no-till are good agronomic practices, but really impact top soil conservation more than they add nutrients. Some plants can pull nitrogen from the air to deposit in the soil, but that’s fairly limited and only 1 of many essential nutrients.

            Generally speaking, due to the conservation of matter, it’s difficult to avoid the need for some additional fertilizer to replace what is removed from the harvested crop. Even organic agriculture, which primarily relies on animal manures for nitrogen, is reliant on commercial fertilizers. The nitrogen in the manure came from the feed that the animal ate. And the nitrogen in the feed that the animal ate almost certainly came from commercial fertilizers.

        • James Fox

          That’s a great decision you’ve made for yourself, but you’re misunderstanding what propaganda is. It’s information of a biased nature that promotes a specific political cause or point of view. Nobody has to be making money off of it. You eating a plant based diet also isn’t propaganda, it’s you eating a diet. Propaganda is the movie that’s pushing a one size fits all diet solution to the forefront that is going to cause people a lot of problems.

          Here’s one example, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2885952/ . What that study shows is not separating red meat from processed meats is actually bad science. Processed meat, like bacon and hot dogs, is certainly pretty bad for you, and I don’t think many people would disagree, but red meat doesn’t have the same correlation to diabetes as that processed meat. This is a really important distinction when we’re talking about dietary facts, but vegan documentaries never go into anything like this. What they do is handwave all meat as the same and say “just eat a plant based diet!” like it will solve everyone’s problems, and that’s just flat out not true. Vegans want a simple answer because simple answers are great, but when it comes to nutrition there just isn’t one.

          • Freethinker

            By that standard, you could say that people discouraging racism are spreading propaganda.

          • JEEZUS

            It I simple because the documentary showed the meat from beginning to end(process) follow the bouncing ball. Nothing filled bacteria etc etc from the jump and make it to your plate completely hands free of said bacterias etc etc…common sense

      • Petronila Tavares-Rasch

        Why it is so HARD, even at presence of all the scientific evidence we now have, to simply say: EAT LESS MEAT (whatever your diet)? Who cares whether the ‘What the Health’ is ‘pure’ vegan agenda… What is in question here, is whether the claims about meat are true. Why is it so hard to say the M word? Why deviate the discussion to healthy carbs? We have countless studies and personal experiences that tells us that we should be consuming less meat. So, c’mon, people, we know better. Let’s be honest and say that the reason people consume things they know may harm them, like cigarettes, is because they LOVE it.

        • Heather Godbee

          Or you could just not eat any meat…

      • MattMSantos

        Educate yourselves. Links in description.

      • JEEZUS

        He US is primarily over weight and under achieved physically. Let’s start there before you jump on this guys band wagon just because he didn’t like that the narrative seemed pro vegan- he might not like the way it was edited but it wasn’t untruthful.

    • Joe Mama

      LOL, the same guy spouting bullshit in What the Health? Nope.

    • common_sense_tom

      If this guys is a doctor, why does he spend 99% of his time building himself up as an expert and trying to take down Dr ZDogg? If you were a GOOD doctor you would talk about the evidence, the statements that were made, and which statements you found reasonable and unreasonable based on the evidence. Dr. Davis might have a medical degree, but doesn’t mean he can think critically worth a shit!

    • NTcurr

      I concur. Most of these comments are probably from those who haven’t watched it. Going by one doctors view is naive. Do your own research, decide for yourself. Doctors aren’t always right. Fyi, this documentary has little to do with animal cruelty. A little snippet about zdoggmd, he is sponsored by liquid agents healthcare who sponsors Ronald mcdonald house, who is an affiliate of…..McDonald’s.

    • Lori Sims Brooks

      Doctors can argue for or against this documentary. The bottom line is always the same. Americans are overweight and sick BECAUSE of food. They eat too much, and probably too much processed foods. We all know processed food is bad. This particular guy contradicts himself over and over again. THIS DOCTOR JUST SAID “OFTENLY.” THAT’S NOT A WORD. UGH, he just lost credibility!

      • Freethinker

        All words are made up words. Saying that a word is “not a word” is nonsense.

    • woot696

      Uh huh. “I wrote a book”. So we’re supposed to believe him? He’s just another doc pushing something to make money. Can’t make money if someone is pointing out your errors, so he’s trying his best to discredit anyone who does so.

  • Pelo

    At the end of the day, we aren’t meant to eat meat anyway. We just forced it upon ourselves. Our body isn’t even built to truly handle it, neither do we even have the proper teeth to chew it.

  • rachel441

    This creepy woman just came into Sheetz accosting everyone and telling them to go watch this movie. I’m standing here waiting for my food and had to google it. What a freak.

    • Joe Zangief

      Do you consume dairy? You seem like a freak actually.

      • rachel441

        She would have had more success if she didn’t seem so nuts. Her entire demeanor was frantic almost, manic. Who goes up to every person in a gas station and starts pushing something on them – over and over? Going from one person to another and back to the first one repeatedly. It was way weird.

        • Joe Zangief

          Honestly, I don’t do that, but I applaud her. Maybe you should just watch the documentary. Sorry about calling you a freak.

          • Izzy

            Veganism is correlated with mental illness. It can manifest itself as being frantic, almost manic. Or it can manifest itself by saying “you seem like a freak” to total strangers.

          • Joe Mama

            No it is Not correlated with mental illness. There are just as many super passionate, super pushy meat eaters out there. What a stupid comment you made.

  • Bmwendo

    Trying to discredit the doctors any chance he can get even if he’s saying the same thing as in the doc… 4:50 min “carbs will not go to fat unless overdone” his restaliation “when you overload your body with carbs your liver will turn it into fat ” then goes on to say all the research done is biased. This guy is a fucking joke, cholesterol is positively collelated with cvd by most studies. Hasn’t disproved anything by talking shit about who’s speaking or saying there’s not a one size fits all approach. As if one was even suggested.

    • Mitchell Holland

      Thats because the dr is exagerating how hard it is to over eat carbs and refill your muscle glycogen, it can take 3-4 days eating 0g of carbs per day and doing intense exercise every day to deplete your muscle glycogen stores completely. Now if you follow the american dietary guidelines for DAILY carb intake its between 225 and 325 grams a day, that is enough and then some (depending on somebodies weight) to completely refill all their glycogen stores, unless of course they are an athlete that expends a lot of energy everyday.

  • Cappy Odinsen

    “I am a doctor, listen to me”. This is credentialism. You can’t back up what you say with actual science because everything you say is dogma. If you had actual science, you wouldn’t need to resort to ad hominem, straw man, and other logical fallacies. You are just trying to get people to conform to your distorted world view, because it is comforting, rather than actually changing your views based on the evidence. That is anti-science. That is quackery.

    • Joe Zangief

      Distorted? Do you see what we do to animals just for food? And food that causes us illness too.

      Distorted is knowing the health implications yet still choosing your tastebuds over your mind.

  • Glen Mckenna

    “When it comes to nutrition in humans, there is simply no one-size-fits-all solution. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something.”

    -Go to: https://nutritionfacts.org/
    It’s a non-profit website based on actual scientific findings.

    *Also, ZDogg is a GENERALIST doctor, whereas Dr. Garth Davis is a SPECIALIST doctor. Well I’m no doctor but I wouldn’t want a general practitioner doing surgery on me.

  • Sherri Cooper

    This video made me laugh out loud in a good way! I really like the sarcasm! What I found quite funny was “a doctor” (as indicated in the title) was wearing a stethoscope! Too funny!

  • Alexsandra Louise

    Love how an intelligent well considered doctor responds to this frankly juvenile video https://www.facebook.com/drgarth/videos/1540668682620701/

  • Robert

    I have been a whole food vegan for 3 years. I am very healthy. You just have to educate yourself as best you can and decide what makes sense. What the Health makes sense to me.

  • Kevin Parrish C

    The doctors in the documentary are very real. People denying the reality of Government checkoff programs and the stupidity of drinking cows milk are addicted to their ways, plain and simple.

  • disqus_6FQZuhJ7nZ

    Wait hold on a second…the title of the video says “an actual/real doctor watches…”….this is a guy who spends more time creating parody music videos to grow his youtube channel and make money, instead of being focused on actual medicine or his patients? The same “real doctor” who has to wear a stethoscope around his neck to make himself appear more credible?

    The same dr that criticizes the film producer for attention but shamelessly makes his own videos for the same purpose? Im a physician and I know that I got the same amount of nutritional knowledge as you in medical school…almost nothing. I don’t know much about nutrition because most medical students are never taught it but ill be the first to admit that. The drs that you are criticizing actually went out and focused time on learning something new.

    Sorry “Dr. Zdogg” you’re an internet clown more focused on entertainment rather than medicine so you won’t be taken seriously. Atleast the dr’s in the documentary are focused on research.

  • “Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something.” Yeah right, because the creators of WTH own all the fruits and vegetable industry, haha!

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  • Buffstang76

    Refute anything? Nope. Guess what? You aren’t going to be diseased from eating plants, fruits, vegetables, beans, grains, etc. And you have no argument against that. Way to act like you’re 5.

    • Mitchell Holland

      You are actually more likely to be allergic or intolerant to substances found in fruits and vegetables than you are meat, so you’re completely wrong there lol.

  • Ed Cummings

    Well I avoided this documentary because it was made by the creators of Cowspiracy

  • Arat Foley

    You are a racist and anti-feminist…you discredit other medical professionals and their research while mocking racism and peoples gender. It is disgraceful. You may not believe your colleagues and the research that they have presented, but where is your research? Where are the facts that back up your ridiculous claims? As I PA, I am ashamed to know that there are medical professionals like you out there, promoting your own misconceptions, while mocking and shaming others.

  • Joanna G

    Aside from the movie What The Health, there have been many independent studies and research of people who have been able to reverse and cure diseases by switching to a plant based diet. Maybe some people do or think they do need meat but its over kill here in America. Most Americans eat meat and dairy with every meal. I can see needing to have a small portion 1-2x a week but all in all of course a doctor is going to speak up against this documentary, healthy eating will take all their patients and income away. Also, what is this doctors tie to the medical industry? Big Pharma companies have lots of $$$ invested in doctors and big pay outs.

    As proof as a former meat eater I had more vitamin deficiencies and my doctor prescribed me more supplements when I ate meat vs. plant based. After trying a plant based diet, my vital levels have been the best they ever have in my whole life so I do believe their is truth to plants containing the adequate nutrition we need.

    • Mitchell Holland

      The problem with all those “Stories” of people having had shit health while eating meat and then they go vegan and are suddenly healthy, doesn’t mean that the meat was causing the problem, but more likely the lack of vegetables. This is the problem with peoples basic understanding of studies and eliminating variables.

  • Mike D

    Any time someone says let me save you the time of having to read or view something yourself, I get a little suspicious. I think there are good points made here, and I agree that more than one diet can be healthy, but like the creator of WTH, ZDogg does some serious cherry picking for maximum entertainment value. I would have found this response much more credible and educational had he also picked out some parts that they got right. You can make fun of the dude calling those organizations, but what do you say about how crazy defensive and weird the heads of these same organizations get when that dude goes to interview them in person? I’m not a big fan of the way the film was put together but overall the clips focused on here do not represent the film. Like I said, this cherry picks the worst moments for entertainment value. Also, it is clear Z doesn’t like the woman he called out. I’ve never heard of her, and maybe she deserved it, but it seemed really harsh. Some of the other docs are in the film have done good work with patients and it seems to me that spending time tearing them down instead of addressing the pill pushers that make up most of the medical community is not productive.

  • Rev. Adrienne Baksa

    Although I haven’t seen this film myself, I spoke with someone very close to me yesterday and she had seen the film and found it wonderful. Your statement, “you can save yourself 1.5 hours of pure torture by watching our responses here!” is a pretty harsh comment. At least it is in my opinion.

  • Flipper Tweenie

    Zdogg is just an old dog and you can’t teach him new tricks, apparently. What a douche!! He just disregarded what was being said and went cherry picking bits and pieces of the movie without the context. I guess if you like a PeeWee Herman style doctor you should listen to this crap.

  • RighetousLove28

    Let’s be real now “Diseases” or man made it’s all about money point blank period say what u want it’s the truth!! If society cared so much about the people were the f***k is cure for cancer HUH????!! Our body didn’t create disease!!!!!! I feel bad we been lied too and some people will not believe they will continue tell they get sick. I’m actually hurt I love food just like everybody else but certain food are just not good for us. I love the documentary I’ve been aware. Wake up people. It’s alll about that MONEYYYYYYYY

  • Cate

    You, ZDogg, are an embarrassment to the health care profession. You are smug, rude, flippant and clearly not well read or educated. You are trying to appeal to an ignorant audience who would prefer to eat crap and take the latest, greatest drugs offered by the multi-billion dollar pharma industry. Thing is, I’m pretty sure it is that industry that is egging you on to make these clearly ridiculous statements. I recommend you go back to school – maybe start at the beginning again.

  • Katie Byrne

    I love that most of this is him just making fun of people? Like, wow, I’m CONVINCED that you know what you’re talking about. Thank god he’s wearing that stethoscope because his words would lead me to believe he’s not a doctor.
    I’m a classical violinist. I WISH I had the gall to tell a jazz musician they’re playing something. This bro is telling LEADING NUTRITIONISTS that they don’t know anything about their field or medicine. Not to mention there wasn’t a SINGLE SOURCE in this bros video. “Fat doesn’t cause diabetes” PROVE IT. WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT and don’t give me some Dairy Industry funded source because that is so biased.
    And mocking the DANGER of toxins in breast milk and how they affect a baby??? Um, we don’t drink alcohol when pregnant so why would we put other very serious toxins in our body?? And he didn’t even have an argument. He just made fun of another leading nutritionist.
    Plus I appreciate that he needed pals there with him to laugh as he cyber bullied this documentary. He knew he didn’t have anything to discredit this. He needed people to laugh and say “yeah, get ’em zdogg, haha”.
    Mocking vegans? Overrated and overdone. And we do live forever and get ripped because we don’T POISON OUR BODIES.
    This video proved literally nothing and I feel really dumb for even watching the entire thing.

  • Victoria

    ZDogg’s commentary made me laugh. Then I got hungry. 🙂

  • Petronila Tavares-Rasch

    “The WHO classifies Processed meat as a group 1 carcinogen, the same group as cigarettes, asbestos, and plutonium.” Doc pauses the video, and… wait for it… comments: “Plutonium is totally vegan, just in case you’re wandering” and moves on. Hahahahaha. That is what he found worth commenting in that statement?! Behold one of the guardians of our health. And in the ‘DELETED SCENES’, he agrees: “whatever the FDA is saying, whatever the food industry is saying, and they have BIG DONORS for these things” Yeah, put your head in the sand all you want, people.

  • Ashley G

    Soooo it’s okay the FDA states on the website that rodents, maggots and feces is okay in our food in moderation? I’m alright, I’ll stick with shit I grow myself.

  • Radha Jai

    Can I just say thank you for this? Thank you so much! I don’t know how many times I have had to explain that nutrition and nutrition science is 1. really new 2. everyone is different 3. quality of food has a lot more to do with overall nutrition than trying to promote one thing over another. I am currently studying kinesiology and biochemistry with my goal to get into medical school. I am constantly having this battle and it usually starts with “well those doctors just don’t know what they are talking about. Eggs are good, then they are bad, now it’s ok to put butter on stuff, but you need to eat kale!” So much is just, well it depends and as I like to say “it’s more complicated than that”.

  • Donna McClure

    I love this so much!

  • marjolein van der Woude

    All this hate to vegan people, nobody told you or forced you to be vegan, nobody told you to watch this doc. if you don’t like it don’t watch it, and no vegan is judging you and your lifestyle so why attack theirs?

  • Justin Carr

    I don’t trust the doctors anymore than the documentarians. Most Americans doctors don’t seem to know shit about diets. They act like food doesn’t impact our health at all.

  • Catherine Baumann

    So, where does this Dr. making fun of the documentary stand on eating meat? I understand he believes an optimal diet needs to be individualized, but overall does he eat meat? Does eating meat connect to cancer? Yes or No

  • Catherine Baumann

    And does it matter if anyone in life has been vegan since day 1 of their life? Can’t you just see how going vegan feels for yourself? Or if you have health conditions try a plant based diet? It’s about improving your health and how you feel inside. Who cares how long you have or haven’t been vegan. If it works for you great. If not great!