A nurse in Salt Lake City refuses to violate hospital policy by allowing police to take blood from an unconscious patient. Body cam video footage captured what happened next.

Here’s the news article. Body cam footage here.

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Note: corrections to my initial report (thank you Z-Pac members on the scene for helping with our facts): this event occurred at the end of July but the footage was only released at the end of August, so the blood draw was proximal to the patient’s accident/injury. Also, according to someone on the scene, the event occurred in the emergency department, not the burn unit.


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92 Responses to “Nurse Hauled Off In Handcuffs…For Doing Her Job”

  1. Steve Wells

    This is not just hospital policy. It is based on Supreme Court precedent from over a year ago. This detective should know this. It is black letter law. See Birchfield v North Dakota.

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    • Annemarie Brignoni

      He probably should look up what assumed consent actually is! It’s a patient who can not speak for themselves due to being unresponsive or under the influence of drugs or alcohol, and we need to make immediate life saving decisions for them and there is no one there to speak for them. So assumed consent is when to providers agree that an intervention is immediately needed and they both assume the patient would want us to save them. Now I don’t know if assumed consent is the same as far as law enforcement, but he certainly from the hospitals stand point have assumed consent! I’m also in New York State so I cannot say with certainty it’s the same in Utah, but I can’t imagine a drug/alcohol test a month after an accident would be a life or death intervention!

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      • lattebud

        There was no probable cause for a drug/alcohol test. The patient was in an accident with a suspect fleeing the police. If they had probable cause, they could get a search warrant.

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        • Amy DeLong

          The patient, according to what I’ve heard, was also a Rigby, Idaho reserve police officer working his main job as a truck driver.

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        • Annemarie Brignoni

          I understand that, but he tried to say it was assumed consent. Assumed consent is when you have an unstable patient that’s crashing and if you don’t do a certain intervention the patient will die, so you assume they don’t want to die, it’s not meant to allow investigators to assume the patient would agree to a drug/alcohol screen. As far as probable cause, they are investigating a fatal MVC. They have reason to believe he may have been impaired. He skipped a step and instead of just admitting to the mistake he became defensive.

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          • lattebud

            If they had legitimate Probably Cause, they should have sought a search warrant, They had no reason to believe he was impaired. Again, if they did (i.e,, erratic driving, smell of alcohol, etc.), they should have sought a search warrant. They stated on tape there was no probable cause.

            Officer wearing body camera: “So why don’t we just write a search warrant”
            Detective Jeff Payne: “They don’t have PC”

            The initial reports of the accident were the fleeing suspect crossed the centerline and hit the semi, who was the patient, head on. Based on the video below, it is pretty obvious there was no reason to suspect the truck driver was impaired.
            http://fox13now.com/2017/07/27/police-identify-suspect-victim-after-man-fleeing-from-police-killed-in-crash-near-wellsville/

  2. Ryan Smidt

    She was my trainer in the Burn unit. She is the best nurse I have met this far in my 3 year career. I have never met someone who cares and loves being a nurse as much as she does. She is a role model to all. And obviously does not cave to intimidation.

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  3. Christina Lillie

    My thoughts: Payne did NOT practice self restraint, got pissed off when he did NOT get his way and did what he did. This is blatant bullying and assault. There was no urgency for the blood draw. He thought, no, felt he was above the law (he did NOT think). He should have just came back with a warrant. See what a few seconds or minutes of bad choices can ruin your career and reputation ? (don’t know if he really values it) Now Payne has “mug shots” all over the internet. I am very disappointed with the hospital security.

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  4. Lea Voorhees

    Being a nurse myself, knowing we have relationships with policemen, I wonder if she knew him before this incident, especially since he was ems too, if they got along or not?? Obviously, there’s no excuse for his behavior, just wondering.

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  5. Christal Crank Gossett

    I hope this detective has assault charges brought against him! No excuse whatsoever for his behavior! Absolutely crazy I cannot believe this behavior would be allowed! I am so proud of this nurse for standing true to our profession….

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  6. Annemarie Brignoni

    I don’t disagree about EMS and ER Nurses sometimes view each other as rivals, and I’m confident about this, because I’m an ER nurse and my husband is a paramedic! Our fights are unlike any other marital unit! Lol. But thank you for pointing out the pressure we are all under! When we took the boards, we had 4 right answers and we had to pick one! The other side of it is we have the hospital, the medical providers and police throwing orders at us and it comes down to following the order with the least amount of consequence! And at the end of the day, we don’t always choose the order with the least severe consequence! We follow the order that is best for our patient, and we advocate for them! Nurses don’t tell the police what to do, they shouldn’t be arresting us for doing our jobs, which is advocating and taking care of our patient! #ImWithAlex

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  7. Joan Weigand Camardo

    After a crash incident, if this was a CDL driver, there is a requirement under the patient’s licensure that blood has to be drawn, regardless. It would be implied consent. Also Workmens Comp has regulations. This is a can of worms, I know. She was doing what she could to first protect this patients rights, and at least have everything reviewed to verify the legalities. This detective needs assault charges brought against him, public apology given, and reprimand or firing, dependent on history.

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    • Josh Bean

      Then, as a detective, he should have done his due diligence and looked into that. Poor choice by him and his SO

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      • Joan Weigand Camardo

        Abso-freakin-lutely!!!

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    • Frank Parisi

      A CDL driver could still refuse, surrender license if it would be self incriminating, I would think. If he was being charged with a crime then the cop had a right to have his blood drawn. Working in ERs I do not remember checking to see if patients had a CDL when they came in. Maybe the Police, first responders did that.

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      • Tamy Higgins

        In the video, the cop wanted blood for an investigation. The patient was not under arrest, not conscious, and no warrant was provided. Therefore, the cop doesn’t have any right to obtain blood for investigation purposes. He should be fired and stripped of his certifications, not to mention charges pressed and sued.

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  8. Susan H

    I think in my ER they’d have to call in the paddy wagon….cause we’d ALL be going to jail!

    Seriously, though, this is assault and a completely inappropriate way to handle this situation. If this is how this detective treats a respected nurse in her her place of work, imagine how he treats those who are powerless and on the fringes of society.

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    • Marcy Roberts

      You hit the nail on the head.

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    • Dawn Miesner Anderson

      Absolutely

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  9. Frank Parisi

    So many things wrong with this! If it was in the ER, then the ER Dr. should have been involved, probably happened in the burn unit. This patient had already been sedated which makes a drug test pretty useless unless they were looking for alcohol. I did not see if the officer drew the blood after the Nurse’s arrest. This event endangered any of the other patients this nurse was caring for.

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  10. Susan H

    I don’t think he snapped, BTW (the detective). I think he has a problem with people who don’t “respect his a-thor-it-tie” (to quote Cartman). It’s not the police, it’s a broken justice system that allows “bad cops” to continue on, sometimes even whole departments to abuse their power without consequences.

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  11. Josh Bean

    As I remember it, implied consent and medical care boils down to: performing “life-saving” care for a person who would otherwise consent to their care but cannot due to x,y, or z. I know I’m paraphrasing it horribly but in any event I’m pretty sure a super cop drawing blood for an investigation doesn’t fall under life saving care. Not to mention, he’s not an employee of the hospital, and who covers them for the medical portion of their job? Too many questions unfortunately.

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    • Frank Parisi

      Having worked as an RN a few times in a burn unit, the cop should not be drawing blood anyway. He should not be allowed into the unit. Severe burn patients are always volume depleted + immunocompromised.

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      • Josh Bean

        I agree 100%. No reason he should have been in there.

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      • Sasquatch

        Someone was saying this was actually in the ER. Idk if that’s right or wrong, but it makes more sense.

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  12. Bert Wall

    As the husband of an ER/ED nurse, I am just angry.

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  13. ennui

    She needs to sue,that is the only way for them to change.

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  14. Christa Marie

    This is uncalled for and I hope that the officer is held accountable for this poor judgment. Also intrigued did they do the blood draw after arresting the nurse? Would that not also be considered assault on the patient?

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    • Pamela Collum

      HE is now on paid leave if I might add that. what is so important of this blood draw so quickly after the accident?

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      • Samanntha Pugh

        They were hoping to be able to prove that the truck driver was under the influence of drugs or alcohol. They have a very small window to work with. What is odd was the fact that the driver was the victim in this accident. Sad but true

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  15. Gayle Linde

    WTF? I am an RN and this nurse did what she should have by the laws. The detective lost control of himself .There seems to be more and more Police loosing control and there needs to be stronger penalties in the Police Department for this behavior. I hope the nurse sues the detective and the Police Dept. for unlawful arrest and assault. This detective needs to be fired and not allowed into that hospital ever again even as a patient. I just wish he had tried this on a very large male nurse that resisted arrest. Detective Payne is going to be a problem again for that Police Dept.

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    • stfree

      Chances are good that he would not have tried it on a “large male nurse”. Bullies usually only go after those they perceive as weaker. This officer misjudged all around.

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  16. Adrienne Marshall-Martin

    What are we headed toward MARTIAL LAW ?

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  17. Christopher Powell

    I can not even believe my eyes. This video gives police a bad name. Everyone involved in this and had a part in this needs to be investigated. THIS IS NOT A POLICE STATE. You can not go around arresting people because you are pissed off and your ordering someone to break the law. This guy needs to be brought up on charges.

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    • Patti Ball Weicht

      The Police State is where government is heading. The Bible predicts it and many are so blind to what is really going on in this world.

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  18. Erin Costello

    Even if the officer got his blood sample, whatever the results were would end up being thrown out of court by any half ass public defender since the officer would’ve fraudulently obtained the blood, and results.

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  19. Michael Albert Jump

    As a health care security officer working in the ER for over 2 years she was completely right and he was wrong, And he should know the law. I have come across this alot and had to deny the police what they wanted because of policy.

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  20. Marcy Roberts

    I am a retired nurse and veteran. The bottom line here is the law. The patient in question was not a suspect in a crime. If conscious, I don’t think that he could have been compelled to allow the blood draw without a warrant. Unless of course, the 4th Amendment doesn’t apply in Utah.
    If anyone was trying to limit liability here, it probably was the police. If they could have labeled the truck driver as under the influence, it might have altered responsibility for the damages incurred by a bystander in a police chase.

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  21. Lisa Piraro Lauer

    If they needed the blood so bad why didn’t they get a warrant before coming to the hospital. If the officer is a health care worker he would also know that a burn victim would be given sedation and pain medication which would then show up in his blood draw. As an ER nurse we need to worry about assaults from our patients and family members now law enforcement too. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

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    • stfree

      They didn’t have probable cause. So they couldn’t get a warrant. As often happens, the officer thought he could use his “authority” to intimidate away the legal protections of a citizen. I’m quite sure he’s done it before and will do it again.

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  22. Ida Centineo Cortes

    She was calm, cool and collected! She was perfectly composed and the administrator on the phone said the RN DOES NOT represent the hospital and that he’s making a mistake in blaming the RN – that’s when the cop snapped! Disgusting! He should lose his badge and she should sue the pants off that police department. The real shame is, as an RN in both New York and New Jersey, I’ve always felt an absolute camaraderie with police officers. I would never expect a cop to act like that towards me – ever! We’re kind of both on the “front lines” of tending to the public and for me, that’s always been an unspoken understanding. Shame on this cop! And I’d be willing to bet this cop is not going to be very popular with his fellow officers right about now!

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    • stfree

      Perhaps he won’t be well received by his “brothers” down at the pub but that will never be made public. In fact, I’d be astonished if his union did not do all they can to keep him employed as a officer. The video is over a month old and all that’s happened so far is that the officer has been suspended from acting as a phlebotomist. He’s still on duty. Still has a badge and a gun. Still drawing pay and racking up those retirement credits. And he still has a self-control problem.

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  23. BJ1979

    I think it’s pretty clear why this happened, the detective said it himself….”she’s the one who told me NO”

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  24. Domenica Bonarrigo Searight

    Assaulting a healthcare professional in the state of Washington is a felony. This officer would have been charged in my state. It looked like she didn’t have time to call security, her manager, or the house supervisor who “should” have been interacting with the officer. More important is, her leaving the unit would be patient abandonment at the hands of that officer. This is a shameful event. We nurses deal with enough violence in the workplace and should be able to rely on our officers to respect our work policies. My prayers go out to this nurse.

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    • kiki

      When was she assaulted? She refused to comply when she was arrested so they had to drag her out.

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      • Sam

        Kiki, I do not think you understand what happened with this situation at all. Please go watch the full video, become aquainted with the law and the hospital policy (which is based on the law, and was created with the cooperation of both the hospital and local law enforcement) and then comment. I am not trying to be rude, but it just does not seem like you actually looked into this or that you really know the roles of either the officer or the nurse.

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      • Ophelia Torres

        stupid talk, you do t know any better

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        • kiki

          She was not assaulted.

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          • Ophelia Torres

            You approach me and threaten me (assault), you touch me (battery )

          • kiki

            Not for a cop. When you are touched in order to be arrested, that is not assault. Nice try though

    • Sasquatch

      Same in California. He would be in jail right now.

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  25. Amanda Thomas

    I am saddened and angered for Alex and for nursing at large! J. Payne should be ARRESTED! I am very heartened to see the hospital administrator backing Alex (in the video and assuming after the fact). WOW😳

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  26. Ernie Cougler

    What was he looking for if the accident happened a MONTH AGO.

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    • stfree

      Incident happened over a month ago. Just now coming to light after the video was released. Had the video not been released, it would have been painted over.

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  27. Kmm Mcg

    NYS here n that cop should goto jail himself, codos to her for sticking to the hospital rules n not get bullied by a bad cop. I do feel that administration should have been there on the spot and not on the phone.As far as the legal is concerned if it was more then 48 hours past the accident there should have to be a cort order.not gunna get a bac unless they suspect narcotics involved but even then it had been weeks.would hey had gotten any admissible edivance???

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  28. troy adams

    This is crazy! At least she’ll be a rich nurse after the lawsuit.

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  29. Patti Ball Weicht

    There is more than one police officer at fault here.
    What could have happened if a co-worker/citizen would have jumped in to physically help her?! Whoa!

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  30. Jeannie

    So I saw this as I was leaving work this morning, I woke up and started in on my homework assignments and my assignment is to find an article that speaks to nurses in an ethical situation. Thank you for bringing my homework some serious relevance.
    Being a nurse and doing the right thing every time is who we are, its not a choice. Nurse Wubbles should have heard from the officer that she indeed was correct and he would supply her with proper documentation in order to fulfill the request. However the power trip he was on took over and he was unable to understand that there are still law abiding people in the world that still do the right thing. As a follow up I watched the Utah State police department’s press conference. I find it interesting that they felt it was needed to change the current policy instead enforcing the one that is already in place. What are they trying to hide. I mean I understand the public outcry for something to be done, however I think the thing that needs to be done is a recall of the detective’s credentials. Behavior such as this needs swift and immediate discipline. Why do we have officers in a position of power when they are supposed to be in a position of protection. When the family dog turns on the family, it’s time to put the dog out.

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  31. Carl Harper

    If he had legal authority, and the skills to obtain the blood why not just assault the patient? Why is he bothering with her, just go do it, nobody would likely physically stop him. Other officers were available if staff interfered. Answer: because he knew he had no status and wished to place it on someone else.

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  32. Curtis Haring

    So, if you were curious about Utah law, here is a good write up in the Salt Lake Tribune today:

    http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2017/09/01/paul-cassell-cop-who-arrested-nurse-was-wrong-but-the-law-is-complicated/

    TL;DR: Utah law says that everyone has implied consent for blood draws as a condition for driving in the state. But this implied consent is only if the police are trying to prove you committed a crime. The law isn’t written in a way that says that a driver has implied consent if the police are trying to prove you *didn’t* commit a crime, as appears to be the case in this situation.

    It is also worth noting in the longer version of the video, Wubbels points out that the policy was an agreement between the University of Utah hospital system (one of or the largest in the state) and the Salt Lake City Police Department.

    Finally, both the Salt Lake City mayor and Salt Lake City police chief came out strongly against the actions by Payne during a press conference today.

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  33. Nancy Ahmed

    http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=5555118&itype=CMSID

    I believe this is the newspaper account of the accident in question.Police chase caused accident that put truck driver in critical condition. The police are investigating the car chase. No warrant, anxious behavior of police officer…. let’s connect the dots.

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  34. Lauren

    I’m an xray tech. I work alongside nurses, I have cousins who are nurses and many friends. This video makes me really upset. There are a couple of things I’ve noticed from the body cam footage from the officer standing beside Payne. First off (not shown in your video) is a private conversation between Payne and said officer about what he will do if he doesn’t get permission to draw the blood, of which he discusses arrest and how “he’s never gone this far.” Then when Alex explains to him the policies, it’s the supervisor on the phone whose words cause Payne to go Irate and attack Alex. I don’t know how she stayed calm without fighting back.. she wasn’t doing anything illegally. If that had been me I would’ve knocked some heads in. I don’t like people touching me and an attack would kick in my fight response. This is so absurd.

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  35. Melissa Katherine Roberts

    This is truly a sad day for both sides, nurses and police. This nurse did her duty, correctly. This police officer did not. I have always somehow felt United with police, EMS, firefighters EXC. We rely on each other, look out for “the people”. This is an EXTREME case of a power trip and a deflated ego at its finest! Everyone makes poor choices time to time, the sad part of this poor decision is the officer is NOT fired/suspended he is nearly just off “the blood draw team”. RN’s have your back when when you do not know it, this police officer would not want his family member possibly defaced as an innocent bystander hit due to a police high speed chase. This was just way uncalled for, shame on him.

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  36. Anand Desai

    Unacceptable action by the police dude man

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  37. Amy Crittenden

    To the woman who knows Det Payne. He was NOT on firm legal ground. The SCOTUS ruled in Birchfield v North Dakota in 2016 that law enforcement may NOT take blood from someone without their consent or a warrant. Payne had neither. Even if the patient had been under arrest (he was the VICTIM in this case), Payne could not lawfully take blood from the man.

    I’m a former ER nurse. I did a lot of forced draws back in the day, based on California state law at the time (which allowed the practice). They would all be illegal under Birchfield now.

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  38. Michelle Roy

    It’s a felony to assault a nurse in Idaho, why has this cop not been charge!

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  39. Yvette Anderson

    Omg! I’m an ER nurse of 25 years. I am appalled! She was doing her job! We take abuse from patients DAILY but we will protect our patients at the risk of ourselves, even if we sacrifice ourselves!!!. It’s what we do!!! We back the blue as if they are our own!!! I love my brothers and sisters in blue but this infuriates me!!! Not to mention the patients that were left without her care from the inappropriate arrest!!!

    I hope he doesn’t have an injury and needs a nurse! Luckily for him, most of us don’t hold grudges! However, I know several that would render aid with a 14 ga IV, a Foley, and more!

    #NursesUnite
    #DontF <@%WithNurses

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  40. Mikki

    Z, this has happened twice in my career, at two different hospitals in two different states. Fortunately, both times the officer backed down and did the right thing, but not without threatening me and my career first. Nurses have a responsibility to our patients’ privacy and safety first, then we can consider the criminal investigation in process. Besides, if these detectives want this kind of evidence to be useful in court (actually any evidence – in one case it was a patient confessing murder prior to being read his Miranda rights, so the detective wanted my chart notes) they need to follow procedure, and properly request records, fluids, etc.

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  41. Karen Finucane Haesloop

    No means no, detective, or should I say “dick”? What part of “you need a warrant” didn’t you understand? This is pure abuse, intimidation and bullying. If he doesn’t lose his job over this, AND pay restitution to this innocent, professional nurse, I hope there will be a massive public outcry in Utah and around the country to bring this, another example of police abuse of power, to the attention of policy makers and law enforcement administration. NO MEANS NO! I would be interested to find out if he has a history of domestic abuse….seems to be in his DNA.

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  42. William Miller

    So my understanding is that the police wanted the truck drivers blood because his injuries were the direct result of a police pursuit the consequence of which he was hit head-on in his lane. Impairment of the driver could be used to deny liability on the part of the police.

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  43. Melissa

    The officer did not provide any evidence that there was an investigation. He did not provide the required order from a judge, no arrest warrant for the patient. He apparently doesn’t realize a decent lawyer would have any sample collected under those circumstances thrown out as unlawfully collected by misuse of authority.

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  44. Erin

    The patient was in the accident because the police were engaged in a high-speed car chase with the person who hit the patient’s truck head on. Why the heck would they even need his blood?

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  45. Jane Vrana

    ZDogg is distracted by Maya.

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  46. kiki

    I support law enforcement here. There was an investigation going on. Forget hospital policy. The cops would over-ride any policy the hospital has. The man could have been an irresponsible drunk driver. The sample should have been taken

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    • Katrina

      This policy was agreed upon by the police departments and the hospital. The patient was the driver of a vehicle that was hit head-on by a man fleeing police who crossed over into his lane. In no way would it have been his fault. In the longer video, the officer (Payne) can be heard talking to the other officer admitting that they could not get a search warrant because they did not have probable cause. He knew he was in the wrong.

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        • Katrina

          It has been reported in multiple news outlets that this hospital system and the SLC PD agreed on this policy in 2013. Also, in the video you can hear Wubbles telling Payne that the policy was one that ‘they’ agreed to.

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    • Sam

      The patient in question was the victim. There was no investigation into him, that’s the entire issue. He was hit, and there was no probable cause for the police to even obtain a warrant in the first place. She would not have stopped the officer if the patient was under arrest.

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    • Erin

      He was not the person responsible for the accident. According to several news reports: “It all started when a suspect speeding away from police in a pickup truck on a local highway smashed head-on into a truck driver, as local media reported. Medics sedated the truck driver, who was severely burned, and took him to the University of Utah Hospital. He arrived in a comatose state, according to the Deseret News. The suspect died in the crash.”

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  47. Ophelia Torres

    The nurse and the hospital need to sue this disgusting character. He should serve jail time. Seems like America likes to put people in positions that they are not qualified for, and when they do foolish things they don’t know how to eliminate them.

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  48. Barb Morton

    there is a video on FB with her in the squad car and the cop boss talking to her. He claims she wouldn’t listen. But what he said was you are wrong I am right and you cant tell me no without consequence was his message. I watched that video. Then there is a article about the law being changed the law apparently didn’t know and in the article it says the police PR rep said they are reeducating their cops etc.. but not wanting to fully say we really screwed up. But it was said they should have went up their chain. as cops maybe they should have asked the higher command

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  49. Barb Morton

    security was standing there and did nothing.

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  50. Barb Morton

    in the longer video she also tells the cop, that “tried” to talk to her while she was in the car and said she was not receptive, that the patient had received medication in the hospital and the lab would not be accurate anyway.

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  51. OCNRN63

    Where was hospital admin when this was taking place? Not even a house supervisor there to back her up? For shame.

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  52. Krystal P

    WE MUST SHOW UNITY AND SOLIDARITY

    When tragic events like these happen to a flight attendant, a cop, a pilot, a lineman, a coal minor, or a firefighter, we typically see an enormous show of support and solidarity by uniformed brothers and sisters to promote public awareness.

    In both of these cases, however, nurses have not yet stepped up with a big enough impact and united front to identify these as “never” events.

    I would love to see a movement by the ZPACK to unite nurses and educate the public about the importance of standing together to keep nurses safe so that nurses can keep patients safe.

    Something that comes to mind is to organize a day or a week or a month, where EVERY nurse wears red scrubs. In solidarity. We are all NURSES. It doesn’t matter if we are an ED or SNF or MS nurse, or an ADN or BSN or DNP nurse. Unity is what’s missing.

    Can we get the ZPACK on board with this? Or something to make a visual impact to show support of each other and promote awareness to the public?

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  53. Sheila Callicoat

    While I am so angry by the way she was treated, when that officer made the comment about dumping all the transients at this hospital and taking all the “good” patients to other ones, that should be immediate grounds for termination from both of his jobs! This is outrageous!

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  54. DocXology

    Thanks ZDogg for trying to give a broader ‘Second Draft’ perspective of the incident. My read it that this officer must have felt immense time pressure to collect evidence that would have helped the case. I suspect actions are in no small part related to either poorly worded police policy or a misunderstanding of the law. It is probably the first time he was confronted with a situation where the patient was unable to consent. It is very well possible that he was granted illegal permission by a staff member in a previous case and was unaware that he broke it. We would assume that he had equal opportunity to access a supervisor’s guidance when he reached an impasse with the health care worker. It would be interesting to know how much the police department were complicit in deficient procedures or support that allowed this officer to ‘fail’ – or whether this was the action of a ‘lone wolf’.

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  55. Chris Meyerson

    OK Where to start …. LOL WOW… The officer is a Detective and from what I gathered also a NREMT-P a some one that was a P and a Use of force instructor the hospital finally did the right thing but it took the RN getting assaulted to get it done now that is shameful…. The other thing that was reviled in his Camera was I am Medic and I am going to bring all the homeless here and take the good paying Pts to other hospitals and he lost his private medic job, Good he needs to loose the other job as a Officer as well. He is a Disgrace as a Nremt-P and as a Officer of the Law. His use of force was Excessive by any and all means.

    First the ER or Burn Unit an officer should never be allowed to just walk back there without an escort to begin with and only for express purposes They need to be Met out in the Lobby or triage and get why they are there so for this detective it would be a Blood Draw the Hospital security would have the Criteria and ask for it at the desk if the officer did not have it like this clown did not then he would have gotten a SO Sorry officer but nothing we can do for you at this time please feel free to come back when you have the needed authority to get said Blood thank you for stopping by but at no time would said officer be allowed to a Patient treatment area whatsoever. If he Asked for a supervisor no prob hospital ADMIN would address him over the phone and again NO paperwork or Warrent then please come back when you have what is needed Goodbye

    AS far as the use of force he was clearly pissed off and taking out his loss of his temper out on this RN that is truly a bad thing as a officer but even worse as a MAN… I dont think he is one to put his hands on a RN like that because he didn’t get his way. I was told his LT ordered him to lock her up that fine I would have refused an clearly illegal order. but even if I was going to take her into custody then I would have talked to her and let her know what was going to happen and that way force would have not been needed at all because this lady was a professional and would have gone with him if it would have been explained to her in a way that as not an assault on her person by a out of control officer that was pissed and desired to hurt a smaller woman… Fire for affect just my 0.02

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