A spontaneous conversation between two friends walking the path together. Why ‘you’re already awake’ can be harmful, the impossibility of bypassing the hard painful work, K-Pop Demon Hunters as dharma transmission, and much more.

Simon Brown’s YouTube channel is here and his free Substack is here.

Here’s our earlier podcast on trauma.

And here’s our prior talk on compassion.

Timecodes and topics:

0:00 Introduction – Spiritual Friendship Across the Atlantic

2:22 “You’re One of the Dearest People I Turn To”

4:00 The Mind Creates the Abyss, The Heart Crosses It

5:00 The Relational Intimacy That’s More Than Its Parts

7:00 Hell Is Other People vs. Recognition of Non-Separation

10:00 Opening the Clown Chakra (Becoming Baba Z-Dogg)

12:00 Why Ram Dass Makes You Cry Instantly 1

6:00 Alan Watts AI Warnings

18:00 Ram Dass’s Journey from Harvard to Surrender

20:00 “He Can See All of Me and Still Loves Me”

23:00 Ram Dass’s Decades of Practice (Not Just Surrender)

25:00 “Everything’s Already Awake” – Why This Message Can Make People Sick

28:00 Unbearable Compassion and Meeting People Where They Are

33:00 Delusion as Seeing Incorrectly What’s Actually Here

35:00 The Problem with One-and-Done Awakening

38:00 “You’re Going to Die. Everyone You Know Will Die”

41:00 Ram Dass Holding Hands of Strangers as They Die

44:00 Only Sensible Response Is Compassion

47:00 Turn Towards the Unconditioned/Deathless

52:00 Society’s Duality and Taking Sides

57:00 The Pure Freedom Beyond Conditions

1:00:00 Play, Spontaneity, and Shame

1:03:40 The Goldfish Bowl Story – How Play Gets Beaten Out

1:07:00 “This Really Hurt and I Love You”

1:09:00 The Trance of Unworthiness We All Inherit

1:13:34 K-Pop Demon Hunters as Liberation Teaching

1:16:00 Barbie Movie and Repressed Emotion

1:18:00 Perfect Days – Liberation Through Cleaning Toilets

1:21:00 “It’s a Wonderful Life” and the Universal Heart

1:24:00 What’s Gone That You Don’t Notice

1:27:00 Taking the Exquisite Risk of Vulnerability

1:28:40 “Pee Here Now” – The Non-Dual Amusement Park

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